[SOLVED] Error setting permissions when copy to a NTFS part

[P4NCH1]

Hi, i looked up pretty much in the inet for a solution for this, but was useless...

I had installed Linux Mint 16 XFCE to a netbook and mounted some partitions when installing, this is my fstab:

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# / was on /dev/sda7 during installation
UUID=b859ed3c-35e5-4ce3-9bf8-fd56f03696e2 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
# /media/data was on /dev/sda6 during installation
UUID=73DBE0A32BC5C914 /media/data     ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       0
# /media/win was on /dev/sda2 during installation
UUID=8C2E9C652E9C4A5A /media/win      ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       0
# swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
UUID=1aa5471a-390b-49a6-9463-c5ee4a2a2a28 none            swap    sw              0       0

but when I try to copy a file to any of the NTFS partitions, I get this error:



So, I saw my fstab in my PC (with Linux Mint 15 XFCE) and it has the same options in the ntfs partitions (defaults,umask=007,gid=46)... I don't know what to do :/

[altair4]

UUID=73DBE0A32BC5C914 /media/data ntfs defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0 0

That line will mount the partition to /media/data with permissions of 770 with only root and members of the plugdev ( 46 ) group granted write access. So the question is are you a member of the plugdev group?

Run the following command to find out:

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id

If you are not add yourself to the group:

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sudo gpasswd -a altair4 plugdev

Change altair4 to your own user name.

Then logoff and login again for the group membership change to take affect.

[P4NCH1]

yeah, I already did that of add my user to the plugdev group (I saw it in the inet):

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zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ id
uid=1000(zanahoria) gid=1000(zanahoria) groups=1000(zanahoria),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),112(lpadmin),119(sambashare)

So, one more thing (strange thing...): I can create folders and documents in that partitions, but still cant copy anything to them without getting that error ("Error setting permissions")

[altair4]

So, one more thing (strange thing...): I can create folders and documents in that partitions, but still cant copy anything to them without getting that error ("Error setting permissions")

You are right that is strange. I have no idea actually but you notice that the error message isn't "permission denied" it's "error setting permissions".

Are you doing a copy to the partition as a user or through an application. If the application sends a file to that partition and then attempts to change permissions of that file it will fail since you can't change Linux permissions of a specific file on an NTFS partition.

[P4NCH1]

I tryed to copy in a terminal and it works:

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zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ mkdir -v blah
mkdir: created directory ‘blah’
zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ cd blah/
zanahoria@blackpawn ~/blah $ echo "hola" > hola
zanahoria@blackpawn ~/blah $ ls
hola
zanahoria@blackpawn ~/blah $ cd ..
zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ cp -v -R blah/ /media/data/
‘blah/’ -> ‘/media/data/blah’
‘blah/hola’ -> ‘/media/data/blah/hola’

And again, I tryed to copy that folder to /media/data with the file manager and: the error. So, the problem must be with Thunar... Do you recomend me to remove it and install again?

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EDIT:

I removed and installed Thunar

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zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ sudo apt-get remove thunar
[sudo] password for zanahoria: 
Reading package lists... Done
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  mint-meta-xfce thunar thunar-archive-plugin thunar-media-tags-plugin
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zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ sudo apt-get install mint-meta-xfce thunar thunar-archive-plugin thunar-media-tags-plugin
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zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $

but still got the same error

[altair4]

This is a new one for me. If it also happened in the terminal I would think you don't have ntfs-3g installed so that's not it.

The only thing I can think of is gvfs. You might want to reinstall the following gvfs packages:

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gvfs-backends 
gvfs-bin
gvfs-common
gvfs-fuse

But I'll be honest with you it's just a guess.

[P4NCH1]

I think you misunderstood me. I said:

I tryed to copy in a terminal and it works (...)

But still, I check if I have nfst-3g installed and it seems to be:

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zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ aptitude search ntfs-3g
v   libntfs-3g841                   -                                           
i   ntfs-3g                         - read/write NTFS driver for FUSE           
p   ntfs-3g-dbg                     - read/write NTFS driver for FUSE (debug)   
p   ntfs-3g-dev                     - read/write NTFS driver for FUSE (developme

and then I reinstalled the packages you said:

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zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ sudo apt-get remove --purge gvfs-backends gvfs-bin gvfs-common gvfs-fuse 
[sudo] password for zanahoria: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  gvfs* gvfs-backends* gvfs-bin* gvfs-common* gvfs-daemons* gvfs-fuse*
  gvfs-libs*
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Reading package lists... Done
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The following extra packages will be installed:
  gvfs gvfs-daemons gvfs-libs
Suggested packages:
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zanahoria@blackpawn ~ $ 

No luck. Same error trying to copy to a NTFS filesys with Thunar T_T

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EDIT:

To keep going with this, after checked the md5sum of my downloaded ISO, I installed Linux Mint 16 Petra from the same pendrive to my PC and I get the same error ("Error setting permissions") when I want to copy a file to a NFST partition with Thunar (the file manager)... Anyone else have the same problem?
Just in case, later I'll try to burn the ISO to a DVD or create a new bootable usb and install again the OS.

[pazuzuthewise]

I don't believe this is a thunar error, maybe it has to do with the mounting options from fstab (the error message appears only when copying to an ntfs partition mounted automatically at boot from fstab; I have another ntfs partition that is mounted only upon access, and there are no problems with it). My reason is that I've noticed other strange behavior on that partition. The owner of all the files is root, but I can, as a normal user create, modify, delete. Also, the deleted files are not moved to the Trash (on the mounted-upon-access ntfs partition this works fine, and the owner is my username).

This is my original fstab:

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# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
# / was on /dev/sda5 during installation
UUID=67e9d480-17f8-4781-90e0-e6882cad8e1b /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
# /mnt/data was on /dev/sda6 during installation
UUID=0C009FC87F74C2EB /mnt/data       ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       0
# swap was on /dev/sda7 during installation
UUID=4cbce625-0aac-48da-b1b9-9506c0bde2bd none            swap    sw              0       0

I've changed the line of the ntfs partition into this:

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UUID=0C009FC87F74C2EB /mnt/data       ntfs    defaults,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=1000 0       0

Now all works as it should: the annoying error message while copying on it doesn't appear anymore, all files belong to me and deleted files go to the Trash.

[pazuzuthewise]

Opened a bug report on this issue at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1289127

[altair4]

This has turned out to be an interesting bug.

Some observations:

[1] This isn't a Mint bug since it happens to Xubuntu 13.10 as well.

[2] Need to do more testing but it does indeed seem to be a Thunar bug since:

*** I can do a manual copy to the mounted partition with no such error. You should be able to verify this yourself:

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cp /path/to/your/file /media/data

*** It doesn't happen when using Nautilus in Ubuntu 13.10. Haven't tried it with Nemo in Mint16 yet.

[3] It seems to happen to anyone who is not the owner of the mounted partition.

UUID=73DBE0A32BC5C914 /media/data ntfs defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0 0

With that line the owner of the mounted partition is root and a root instance of thunar ( as in gksu thunar ) does not get the error message on a copy. pazuzuthewise's fix of taking ownership of the mounted partition works because now the owner of the process and the owner of the partition match. ( BTW, it's not that you can't send anything to the trash it's that trash is owned by root and you don't have access to root's trash. Taking ownership of the partition "uid=1000" makes you the owner of the trash).

This is still a problem for multi-user installs however since the original fstab line allows all local users who are members of the plugdev group write access which they do in fact have but if they do not want error messages they need to use another file manager.

This is going to be a tough bug since it's relatively obscure ( XFCE users are in the minority ) and support ends in about 30 days. So we need to see if the bug persists in Xubuntu 14.04.

EDIT: Found a Thunar Bug Report that describes the symptoms: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10502

[P4NCH1]

Ok, so, the only thing we can do is wait until Xubuntu/Thunar fix the problem, right?
And, if is a Thunar's problem: Changing the file manager we can solve it temporary... What file manager can we use instead?

[altair4]

If you are the only user of the system pazuzuthewise's fix will work:

UUID=73DBE0A32BC5C914 /media/data ntfs defaults,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=46 0 0

Just unmount the partition:

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sudo umount /media/data

Add the uid=1000 option to the line in fstab

Then remount with this command:

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sudo mount -a

[ogghi]

Perfect, this fixed the issue I had here!
Thanks!