[SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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[SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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Hi all. Took one of our office machines with Mint 16 XFCE last night, in order to upgrade the system to Mint 17 without reinstalling everything. It can't be that a clean install is the only correct way to upgrade from one version to another. It's a clear deterrent to switch to Linux when you tell a Windows user that they only have to rebuild their system every couple of years ... or even worse every 6 months ... if they've never had to deal with installing Linux before. Anyway, since I like the Caja file manager best out of all of the available file managers, that's always installed after every initial mint XFCE setup. So following these steps ...

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sudo apt-get update

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sudo apt-get upgrade

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sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
... tried to have everything switched from Mint 16 to Mint 17. This did not work as expected, but there were no errors either. Figuring that I was probably missing a PPA entry or something related to that, I then followed the instructions on this link: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/mint_main

Then I rebooted, to see if that made a difference. There were no errors before the reboot and none once the system came back. Checked my Caja but it's still sitting at 1.6.2 instead of 1.8.x. Okay, so I go ahead and repeat the first three steps above. Step 2 called for 50+ MB of additional data so I figured that I was on the right track. When all was said and done ... again without any errors ... I rebooted. Sheeesh, really? Afterwards my Caja had still not been upgraded.

Okay, so I go to Synaptic and reinstall anything and everything Caja related. Then I use the regular update manager icon to look for more updates .. which there weren't any to be found ... your system is up to date! Last but not least, I powered off the machine completely. Made myself a cup of coffee, powered back up, everything is working perfectly fine and I still haven't encountered any errors anywhere. So far so good. Now I open up Caja, check the version ... and it's still telling me that I'm at version 1.6.2
I'm at wits end. Our other Mint 17 installations were done from scratch, with Caja pulled in afterwards.
Caja is version 1.8.x on the other Mint 17 machines.
What am I missing or doing wrong? Thanks.

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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Alright, also did the following for an OS check ...

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sudo cat /etc/issue

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sudo cat /etc/issue.net
... both of which showed Mint 17 in the terminal. I then opened up the Sources from the settings, and that window also displayed Mint 17 in it. Just for kicks I opened up the welcome screen and sure enough, Mint 17 was there as it should be. However, when I tried this for a final check ...

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sudo cat /etc/os-release
... I ended up with this in return:

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NAME="Ubuntu"
VERSION="13.10, Saucy Salamander"
ID=ubuntu
ID_LIKE=debian
PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 13.10"
VERSION_ID="13.10"
HOME_URL="http://www.ubuntu.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="http://help.ubuntu.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/"
Now I could personally care less about that since everything is working correctly. But this exemplifies why a simple distribution upgrade button makes so much more sense for non-techies, for Windows users, or people who are intimated by Linux due to lack of knowing anything about it. In this day and age, having a single upgrade button do the job correctly, should not be an issue anymore. Having to backup your personal changes is something that even Windows users had to get used to. But the System itself should be upgradeable with the click of a button ... especially when you want to upgrade to an LTS upgrade. At least LTS upgrades should be one click no-brainers.
Sorry, getting off track. :roll: :oops: Any thoughts on getting Caja upgraded? Thanks.

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Re: Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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... BUMP ... Really? No Mate Gurus here who can tell how to update Caja to 1.8.x ... ??? :(

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Re: Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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Hello, LinWinux.

I guess your thread has only slipped everybody's attention. This is bad luck and happens from time to time.
I wonder a bit what you need this ubuntuupdates.org PPA for? Can you explain?
Apart from that, please, open a terminal window. Execute

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inxi -r
and post the screen output here. Caja 1.8.1 is only available for Mint 17, maybe something points back to a Mint 16 repository really?!

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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Hi Karlchen. I have no idea what that PPA from the link is for. When the upgrade from Mint 16 to Mint 17 didn't work as expected and when I didn't receive any error messages anywhere either, I started googling for answers about the upgrade process. That was one of the things that I found ... and when I followed the instructions it seemed to work. Almost everything on my system shows up as Mint 17 now. I know that Caja is not included by default since I'm running Mint 17 with XFCE ... PLUS the Caja File Manager which I installed later. So it made sense to me that Caja has to be upgraded separately. I just don't know how to do that.
Thanks for your input. Anyway, here's the terminal output that you were looking for:

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Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
           deb http://liveusb.info/multisystem/depot all main
           deb http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/irie-blender-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/irie/blender/ubuntu saucy main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/irie/blender/ubuntu saucy main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linrunner-tlp-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu saucy main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu saucy main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list
           deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ qiana main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
           deb http://packages.linuxmint.com petra main upstream import #id:linuxmint_main
           deb http://extra.linuxmint.com petra main #id:linuxmint_extra
           deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-security main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ saucy partner
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/otto-kesselgulasch-gimp-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu saucy main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu saucy main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/venerix-pkg-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu saucy main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu saucy main
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Re: Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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All your references to "saucy" should say "trusty"

YOURS:
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-security main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ saucy partner
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/otto-kesselgulasch-gimp-saucy.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu saucy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu saucy main
Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/venerix-pkg-saucy.list
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu saucy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu saucy main
MINE:
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ trusty partner
Some of your PPA's may not have "trusty" available, which will give you errors if they don't.
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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Hi, and Thanks for the additional info. Part of my "Apt/Sources" problem is that I'm completely unfamiliar with, and intimidated by the way that Mint 17 has the sources configured. Almost every time that I do research about automatically adding sources for things such as Gimp and other items that I use all of the time, those instructions are usually for the "old way" of doing things, and not the Mint 17 way ... (see screenshots)
I'm totally uncomfortable with Mint 17 Sources - usually getting errors when I try to edit anything there. :cry:

EDIT: Okay, except for the Venerix I went ahead and changed all of my ppa sources to trusty. No problem and no errors. Updated the cache, closed the sources, and then ran the update manager again without any problems or errors. Did have about 45 MB of things to update though. Then I restarted just for the heck of it, but of course Caja is still version 1.6.2 even though everything else shows up as Mint 17 which should have Caja 1.8.x installed.
It's like I already stated ... Caja has to be updated "manually" when it was installed separately later on.
That's what I need help with ... :(

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Re: Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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Hello, LinWinux.
It's like I already stated ... Caja has to be updated "manually" when it was installed separately later on.
This is not correct provided you have installed Caja through the normal software management tools: Software Manager, Synaptic, apt-get. In this case the software management will know that Caja has been added to your system. It will know which version it has got. And as a consequence the normal update procedures will make sure that available updates will be offered for installation by mintUpdate / Synaptic.

In case, however, "installed separately" means that Caja has been installed circumventing the normal software management, then you will be responsible to keep Caja up-to-date yourself.
Ways of circumventing the software management would e.g. include:
+ installing Caja from it source code (i.e. compiling & linking it yourself)
+ installing Caja from a tarball file

Yet, in your initial post you mentioned using Synaptic to install Caja. So the software management should know Caja is present and available updates should be detected and offered for installation without your manual intervention.
Exception: You have put Caja on the list of locked software packages.
(You can lock software packages at a particular version in order to prevent them from being updated.)


Tasks which I would like to ask you to execute, please. And as always: the screen output should be posted here:
  • Could we, please, have a recent output of

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    inxi -r
    in order to see what you current repository lists look like?!
  • Could you, please, run

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    sudo apt-get update
    This will reveal errors when querying the configured repositories.
  • Could you, please, run a

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    sudo apt-get check
    This will check for broken dependencies and report back. No changes will be done.
  • Could you, please, run

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    dpkg --list caja*
    This will list the installed caja packages.
  • Could you, please, check in Synaptic whether a more recent version of Caja is available in the repositories for you?
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On my Mint 13 the latest version is 1.6.2 and as it has not been installed, the column "Installed version" is empty.
On your system both columns should be filled, "Latest version" and "Installed Version". And the "Latest version" should be "1.8.1".
In case it is not there must be some cause which prevents Synaptic from displaying the latest Caja version. Either the current version has been locked. Or Synaptic queries the wrong repository.

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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Thank you, and yes ... I installed Caja from within Synaptic. Initially I installed Mint 16 XFCE ... then I found Caja in Synaptic and installed it along with a few options that I like to use, such as image resizing and other items. I never compiled Caja on my own and don't know how to compile programs. Since yesterday I did change some of the sources, based on advice elsewhere here in this post. There were no errors anywhere. If the ability to update Caja is locked, I have no idea how that could happen? I don't know how to prevent a specific application from being locked from updates. Here's my output from the first command that you asked about.
No errors in any of the commands - No broken packages - Screenshots below ...

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Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
           deb http://liveusb.info/multisystem/depot all main
           deb http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/irie-blender-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/irie/blender/ubuntu trusty main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/irie/blender/ubuntu trusty main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linrunner-tlp-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu trusty main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu trusty main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list
           deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ qiana main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
           deb http://packages.linuxmint.com petra main upstream import #id:linuxmint_main
           deb http://extra.linuxmint.com petra main #id:linuxmint_extra
           deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu saucy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-security main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ saucy partner
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/otto-kesselgulasch-gimp-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu trusty main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu trusty main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/venerix-pkg-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu saucy main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu saucy main
sudo apt-get update ends with:

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Fetched 287 kB in 9s (31.6 kB/s)                                                                                       
Reading package lists... Done
sudo apt-get check ends with:

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Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
dpkg --list caja* ends with:

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Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name                     Version           Architecture      Description
+++-========================-=================-=================-=====================================================
ii  caja                     1.6.2-2+petra     amd64             file manager for the MATE desktop
ii  caja-common              1.6.2-2+petra     all               file manager for the MATE desktop (common files)
ii  caja-gksu                1.6.0-1+petra     amd64             privilege granting extension for caja using gksu
ii  caja-image-converter     1.6.0-1+petra     amd64             Caja extension to mass resize or rotate images
ii  caja-open-terminal       1.6.0-1+petra     amd64             caja plugin for opening terminals in arbitrary local 
ii  caja-sendto              1.6.0-1+petra     amd64             integrates email clients and Pidgin into the Caja fil
ii  caja-share               1.6.0-1+petra     amd64             Allows to quickly share a folder from the Caja file m
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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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If I try to install Caja manually via the terminal, using sudo apt-get install caja ...

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sudo apt-get install caja
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
caja is already the newest version.
Also, perhaps I'm wrong but to me Caja *LOOKS* just like the Caja in Mint 17 on my wife's computer. This is what my current Caja on Mint 17 looks like right now:
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Re: Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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Hello, LinWinux.

The first "inxi -r" output which you posted was saved to a file named "inxi-r_linwinux1.txt".
The second "inxi -r" output which you posted was save to a file named "inxi-r_linwinux2.txt".
Then both files, inxi-r_linwinux1.txt and inxi-r_linwinux2.txt, were compared to each other to find the differences.

Result:
True you have changed a few entries.
But what is more important:
None of the entries which point to Linux Mint 16 petra have been corrected to point to Linux Mint 17 qiana in the following sources list files:
+ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list
+ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list

Conclusion:
The initial "inxi -r" output (my file inxi-r_linwinux1.txt) does not hold a single entry which correctly points to trusty and qiana.
I am absolutely confused how you may have been able to upgrade from Linux Mint 16 to Linux Mint 17 at all using repository list files which all pointed to Ubuntu 13.10 saucy and Linux Mint 16 petra.

The recent "inxi -r" output (my file inxi-r_linwinux2.txt) holds a few corrected enrues. But most relevant entries still point to saucy and petra.

Hence it is no wonder that Synaptic refuses to find any Caja 1.8.1. It is still checking the petra repositories for it.


Next step:

Please, run

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inxi -Sx
and post the screen output here.

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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Should I try to make changes to + /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list and + /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list files manually? If it won't wreck my system, I can do that. :|

When I made the changes in sources, I changed all of the PPAs except for Venerix since that was presumed by others to still be using older repos. All of the other PPAs were changed per austin.texas suggestion. Anyway, here's the output you're looking for:

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System:    Host: whocares-Dell-System-Inspiron-N7110 Kernel: 3.11.0-12-generic x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.1) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 (Gtk 2.24.20) Distro: Linux Mint 17 Qiana
EDIT ... It just keeps on getting crazier ... :shock:

I went ahead and edited the two files above as administrator ... saved the original ones first with the letters ORIG. in front of the file name. Then I rebooted the machine. No errors, my login screen came back without a problem. Checked the sources first via GUI ... only to find that indeed all of the PPA changes that I made earlier were gone.
How can that be?
Everything was back to saucy which means that my earlier PPA changes were never saved. On top of that, when I checked the additional repositories in the sources GUI, the files in there were the backup ones with my ORIG. in front of the file names, and not the altered ones that I had changed and saved with trusty instead of saucy. It's almost as if Mint had some kind of built-in fail safe ??? Then I checked for updates via terminal, nothing major to install ... but at the end I had a bunch of duplicate file name entries and the suggestion that these may be corrected with apt-get update.
However, when I used apt-get update nothing changed and I still had the duplicate entries.

Okay, so I went to the Update Manager GUI, to see if that would tell me something. WOW ... over 1000 MB in updates were available and over 100 packages were going to be removed. However, a lot of those packages were ones that I'm actually using, including Gimp which I use almost every day. When I checked the list of packages to be installed (also over 100), none of those were some of my packages that were going to be removed. Obviously I don't want to remove working packages that I use if they're not going to be reinstalled afterwards. Really weird stuff going on here ....
The system itself is working 100% perfectly without any errors, freezes, crashes, etc.

So, I went ahead and changed the above sources files back to what they were before. Rebooted the system. Did a apt-get update which now showed no more duplicate entries, and now my system is back to what it was before I made this edit remark.

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Re: Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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Hello, LinWinux.

When I read your opening post in this thread, I had somehow assumed that you had upgraded from Mint 16 to Mint 17 by following this tutorial: Upgrade an existing Mint using apt.

Yet, by now having checked your first "inxi -r" output, I am pretty certain that this assumption is wrong. There is only one entry in your first "inxi -r" output which points to Mint 17 qiana:

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Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list
               deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ qiana main
All the rest pointed to Ubunt 13.10 saucy and Mint 16 petra still.

So what the

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sudo apt-get upgrade
and

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sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
will have done is creating a mix of
+ Linux Mint 17 software packages
+ Linux Mint 16 software packages
+ Ubuntu 13.10 software packages

The output of "inxi -Sx" is another hint that this has happened. The system says it were Mint 17, but it is still running the old Ubuntu 13.10 / Mint 16 Linux kernel 3.11.0-12-generic.

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Should I try to make changes to + /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list and + /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list files manually?
In order to change the repository list files directly you will have to launch your favourite text editor with root privileges.
My favourite editor is gedit. It is comes with Cinnamon.
Mate users will have pluma. It comes with Mate.
xfce does not really bring along a text editor. So xfce users may have gedit. They may have leafpad. They may have mousepad. They may have yet another editor.

I will give you the commands to edit the sources list files as I would type them using gedit. If you do not use gedit you will have to replace the name gedit by the name of your editor.

Open a terminal window. Execute these commands, one at a time:

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sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list

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sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
The content of the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list should look like this

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# deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ qiana main
I.e. the only entry in the file is commented out. It is not needed. It is a shortened duplicate of an entry in the next file.

The content of the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list should look like this

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com qiana main upstream import #id:linuxmint_main
deb http://extra.linuxmint.com qiana main #id:linuxmint_extra
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ trusty partner
Serious warning:

Once you have corrected those two files, the next time that you execute mintUpdate, Synaptic, Software-Manager or apt-get they will no longer look for Mint 16 petra software packages, but for Linux Mint 17 qiana software packages and for the corresponding Ubuntu 14.04 trusty software packages.

This means once you have corrected the 2 sources list files named above, you will be really upgrading your old Mint 16 to Mint 17, as explained here: Upgrade an existing Mint using apt.

And the answer to your question / statement:
If it won't wreck my system, I can do that.
will be:
By adding a Mint 17 repository to sources list files which still pointed to Mint 16 + Ubuntu 13.10 only and by running

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
you had already started wrecking your system.

So once you have corrected the files
+ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mint.list
+ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
you may proceed with

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
and keep your fingers crossed that in the end your system will not have been wrecked. No-one can give you a warranty it will not happen.
This is why Clem stronlgy recommends starting with a fresh installation.

Once the upgrade processes have finished you will have to reboot.

Keep my fingers crossed.

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Re: Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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Hello, LinWinux.

Why do you ask for advice if you are not patient enough to wait for the answer?
Instead you go on doing things the wrong way round, [1], because you do not know how to do them right.
Looks like you want to learn Linux Mint the hard way. This is all right for me. Saves me the time of explaining what to do next.

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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Doing it all now. Thanks again. According to terminal output there are still hours to go. Will report back when I've rebooted.

@Karlchen

I figured that the sources list files had to be altered and I knew that it wouldn't hurt to try and make the change before I received an answer since I also knew that I would be able to use the original files again if the changes didn't work. The worst that could have happened is that I would have had to use a LiveCD for access ... but I really did not think this would be the case. Well, I was right ... and I even did it correctly just as you suggested. The only difference was that I rebooted immediately afterwards (still used to that from the Windows days) which I guess should not have been done. The next time I used the same steps for the list files and followed that up immediately with the next 3 commands per your suggestion. That's what then took a really long time and there were many Y/N questions involved too.

Sometimes it's not lack of patience ... but curiosity to see if an idea that seems logical will work out? No harm, no foul, and no disrespect intended. :wink:

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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Wow, that took a really really long time ... but it's finally all done! :D
I did have a scare though because Firefox was nowhere to be found ... missing dependencies, etc. :roll:
I mean, it was completely missing. No icon in the menu either. No .mozilla folder, just plain nothing at all.

First I tried installing the latest Firefox .deb file with gdebi but that wouldn't work. After lots of googling and reading, not being able to find the precise problem that I was experiencing, I eventually stumbled upon this link: http://www.itworld.com/open-source/4228 ... ux-mint-17 from which I could glean the information for a quick manual install. Anyway, the manual install worked sort of ... gave me a couple of errors for missing i386 files which I then installed manually as well. After that Firefox was working, but still with a couple of line errors that were relevant to Ubuntu specifically, but not any version of Mint. So I deleted the newly created .mozilla folder ... put the old .mozilla folder back in place that I had saved earlier ... and now even Firefox is back and working with my addons, news page, bookmarks, and no more errors at all. :D

Thank you so very much everyone, especially Karlchen. Will mark this thread as solved. Have a great evening (or morning) everyone.

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Re: Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8.x

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Hello, LinWinux.

First of all, pooh, glad in-place upgrade seems to have worked finally. At least I hope it really has.
18:00 to 23:00 roughly, roundabout 5 hours.
This is one of the reasons in the end a fresh installation will not take more time. And the upside of a clean installation is that you will have a clean system, whereas with an in-place upgrade you can never be sure some trouble is still lurking somewhere in your system.
This is much the same as with upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 without reformatting and without installing everything from the scratch. Of course Microsoft offers this way. But in real life, you will be better off to choose the long way: backup data, make a list of all additional software, reformat, re-install Windows from the scratch, re-install the additional software from your list, restore the backed up data. No trouble with uncleanly upgraded driver software, no trouble with uncleanly upgaded software, no trouble with left behind junk from the old system.

About Firefox:
Firefox is the Linux Mint 16 and 17 default browser. It has been installed together with Mint 16 from the Ubuntu repos. Therefore when upgrading to Mint 17 it should have been upgraded as well without any manual intervention.
The fact itself that this has not happened smells fishy. Something may not have been all right with your Firefox.
The instruction which you followed to install Firefox 30 on Mint 17 smells fishy, too.
It seduced you to install the genuine Mozilla Firefox 32-bit from the Mozilla servers. But as your "inxi -Sx" output revealed, you are using Mint 17 64-bit. So you should have installed Firefox 64-bit. So you chose and installed the wrong Firefox edition. This is why you had to add 32-bit support manually to your 64-bit system.
Moreover, you should have simply launched Synaptic, looked for Firefox and (re-)installed it. The repos would have given you the most recent 64-bit Firefox 31.0.

General pieces of advice:
Any software which you need can be found in the normal Ubuntu and Linux Mint repos. So you should be able to install them with Software Manager or Synaptic.
In the rare cases where this rule does not apply, ask in the forum where to get the software. The best place for software which is not in the offical repos are PPAS (developer repos) on Launchpad. There are a few other trustworthy places, too.
Yet, try to keep the number of PPAs as small as possible. Software from PPAs has not been approved by anybody. It may be faulty. It may have dependencies which will break other software packages. PPAs have a tendency of simply stopping to exist at some unexpected point in time. Not all of them, but quite a few do, leaving you behind with a no longer supported piece of software.
Still a bit more inconvenient are the cases where software developers only give you a tarball file. Such software has to be installed manually, like the Firefox tarball that you downloaded and installed from the Mozilla webpage.
Your software management system is not aware that this 32-bit Firefox installation even exists. It will not update it. It will not even see it.
So try to avoid software that comes as a tarball unless there is abslutely no way of getting the same software as a .deb installation package.

Before doing something on Linux Mint the Windows way, come here and tell us what your plan is. You can be pretty sure that some helpful and experienced Linux Mint users will either point you to the appropriate tutorial or how-to article which explains how to achieve your goal "the Linux way", or they will explain the steps directly in their replies.

Finally:
Can you be bothered to post the output of

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inxi -Fxz
created on your in-place upgraded Mint 17 here?!
About Firefox: please, post the output of

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dpkg --list firefox*
Finally, a last

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inxi -r; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get check
would be nice.

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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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General pieces of advice:
Any software which you need can be found in the normal Ubuntu and Linux Mint repos. So you should be able to install them with Software Manager or Synaptic.
Of course I already know this. I thought that I mentioned trying to install Firefox with synaptic ... which did not work. I also tried with the Software Center and received errors about missing "things" some of which had to do with lsub or something like that ... don't remember the exact errors, sorry. It was not possible to install Firefox because it did not show up as an installable application. Tried sudo apt-get install and that did not work either. Since I use Firefox all day every day, I had to figure out some way of making it work ... :wink:

Here's the output that you requested:

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whocares@whocares-Dell-System-Inspiron-N7110 ~ $ [b]inxi -Fxz[/b]
System:    Host: whocares-Dell-System-Inspiron-N7110 Kernel: 3.13.0-24-generic x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.2) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.11.6 (Gtk 2.24.23) Distro: Linux Mint 17 Qiana
Machine:   System: Dell product: Dell System Inspiron N7110
           Mobo: Dell model: 0YH79Y version: A00 Bios: Dell version: A07 date: 09/28/2011
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-2410M CPU (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9169.82 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 800.00 MHz 3: 800.00 MHz 4: 800.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0 
           X.Org: 1.15.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1600x900@60.1hz 
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.1.3 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.13.0-24-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller 
           driver: r8169 ver: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 2000 bus-ID: 03:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030 [Rainbow Peak] driver: iwlwifi ver: in-tree: bus-ID: 01:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 750.2GB (27.8% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD7500BPKT size: 750.2GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 680G used: 194G (31%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 8.48GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0C mobo: 45.0C            Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 186 Uptime: 3:59 Memory: 849.5/7878.8MB Runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.2 Client: Shell inxi: 1.8.4
Output of dpkg --list firefox* (REMEMBER - FF is using my original .mozilla folder again)

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dpkg-query: no packages found matching firefox-30.0.tar.bz2
Output of inxi -r; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get check (VENERIX can not be updated to trusty)

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Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
           deb http://liveusb.info/multisystem/depot all main
           deb http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/irie-blender-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/irie/blender/ubuntu trusty main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/irie/blender/ubuntu trusty main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linrunner-tlp-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu trusty main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu trusty main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
           deb http://packages.linuxmint.com qiana main upstream import #id:linuxmint_main
           deb http://extra.linuxmint.com qiana main #id:linuxmint_extra
           deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ trusty partner
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/otto-kesselgulasch-gimp-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu trusty main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu trusty main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/venerix-pkg-saucy.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu saucy main
           deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu saucy main
Thanks once more. Good night.

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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Hello, LinWinux.

Final comments from my side:
  • "inxi -Fxz" output: looks correct, nothing suspicious detected.
  • Firefox:
    The thing which I do not understand is that Firefox should not be in your normal software lists.
    I have never come across a situation where Synaptic did not list the Firefox software packages in its list. No matter whether they had been installed or not. But they were listed. (From Ubuntu 9.10 to Ubuntu 14.04, from Mint 12 to Mint 17 it has never happened here.)
  • "inxi -r" output:

    The apt sources file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list holds an incorrect entry:

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    deb http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner
    It should read

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    deb http://archive.canonical.com/ trusty partner
    Yet, this entry is already present in the main apt sources file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list.
    So it should be removed from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list.
Have fun on Linux Mint 17,
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Re: [SOLVED] Mint 16 to 17 __ Can't get CAJA upgraded to 1.8

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Thank you, Karlchen. I commented out the line in the sources list that wasn't needed. All should be well now ... except for some missing printer related issues for which I made another post.

You misunderstood me about the Firefox issue. When the upgrade finished, Firefox was nowhere to be found on my system even though it's always been installed, before the upgrade too. The folder .mozilla was still there, but no working Firefox and no application icon. Wouldn't work via terminal command either.

Yes, it was in Synaptic ... but would not install due to broken or missing dependencies ... nothing that I knew how to fix.

Yes, it was in the Software Manager ... but would not install there either. Just a red exclamation mark and message that installation wasn't possible.

Then I tried installing via sudo apt-get ... but received an error message about broken or missing dependencies which might be resolved if I tried apt-get update. Tried that a couple of times actually but it never worked. Went back to Synaptic which showed me that there were no broken files. Not knowing what else to do and since the Firefox issue appeared separate from the upgrade issue, I then looked for a solution to help me get my Firefox working again. Like I said earlier, I use Firefox a lot each and every day. Anyway, my comments with the Firefox 31 installation were only posted in case someone else stumbles upon the same situation. That installation helped me to get my old Firefox back again.
Once I had the "new" Firefox working, I was able to revert back to the old one with my own original .mozilla folder.
I hope this helps to clarify things better. :)

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